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bigmikethompsonSep 11, 2007 6:17pm
I hate cheaters. If roids deserve a 4 week suspension, how about blatantly cheating?


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rieraciSep 11, 2007 7:46pm
I have to agree, Mike, that stealing sideline signals is pretty low. I hope the NFL doesn't hammer the poor schmoe that got caught, but instead come down hard on the organization as a whole. That takes some of the tarnish off the ol' Pat mystique - even Al Davis doesn't do that (not as openly, anyway, hehe) But Tomlin's remarks about it kinda surprised me:

Pittsburgh Steelers coach Mike Tomlin isn't surprised that a New England Patriots employee is suspected of videotaping signals by Jets coaches on New York's sideline during Sunday's season opener.
There have rumors in the league of such incidents in the past, Tomlin said today, and he wouldn't be surprised if the allegations were true.
"Usually where there's smoke, there's fire, so those rumors are founded on something," said Tomlin, an NFL assistant coach for six years with Tampa Bay and Minnesota before being hired by Pittsburgh. "No, it's not totally shocking, no."
NFL security confiscated a video camera and tape from a Patriots employee during New England's 38-14 victory Sunday, ESPN.com reported. The employee was accused of aiming his camera at the Jets' defensive coaches as they signaled to players on the field.
Last season, the Green Bay Packers had an issue with a man wearing a Patriots staff credential who was carrying a video camera on their sideline.
Tomlin did not say he suspects the Patriots of spying - the Steelers and New England meet on Dec. 9 - but he said all NFL coaches are aware of and protect against subterfuge.
"You hear rumors of things of that nature, but there's nothing new in terms of confirming it," he said. "It's never been confirmed in any incidence in my knowledge."
Tomlin, the only first-year NFL coach to win his opener last weekend, said the Steelers have methods to protect against spying, but he wouldn't reveal them.
"We like to keep our methods private so we can continue to be successful," Tomlin said. "We don't spend a lot of time worrying about that, but we are sharp enough to protect ourselves versus the potential of something like that happening against us."
It is unlikely any Steelers playcalling could be intercepted by electronic method from the press box since offensive coordinator Bruce Arians and defensive coordinator Dick LeBeau are working from the sideline this season.
"Really, this is nothing new," Tomlin said. "You see offensive play callers covering their mouths, that's been going on for a long time, and that's the reason that's done."
(AP)

So obviously it wasn't a very well kept secret, and must happen in more than one place. They say Goodall is taking this seriously, and it's gonna cost the Pats a draft pick or two. I hope so. Belichak is a weasel.


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bigmikethompsonSep 11, 2007 8:31pm
Tainted dynasty. I hope they get to come to Denver for the playoffs again. Watching Lynch get in Brady's head on the first play is one of my top 10 football memories. I'm sure Brady won't ever forget that loss or the surgery that resulted.

Brian Griese's back up is no Joe Montana. this dynasty is to football what The home run record is to baseball.


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DeepSixSep 11, 2007 10:15pm
Where was Belichick, I just don't see him as a cheater, but he's proven he can be an ass**** to former staff so maybe he can be.


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rieraciSep 11, 2007 11:46pm
Belichick apologizes, says the flap has to do with his "interpretation of the rules", hehe: msnbc.msn.com/id/20706148/ [msnbc.msn.com/id/20706148/]

Steelers assistant coaches say privately that New England coach Bill Belichick has illegally used cameras to spy on opposing coaches flashing signals from the sideline for years, even when he was coach of the Cleveland Browns... post-gazette.com/pg/07255/816713-13.stm [post-gazette.com/pg/07255/816713-13.stm]


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DeepSixSep 14, 2007 12:47pm
sort of a cross post but... NFL fines Belichick, forfeits Pats draft picks for spying


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rieraciSep 15, 2007 7:58am
Maybe now they'll let the defensive coordinator radio in his calls to a wired player, like the O can do with the QB's. I always thought it was odd one set of players could get a verbal call while the other side needed to decipher a manual semaphore system. Not that Belichick couldn't get a retired CIA agent to intercept the signal ;o)


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DeepSixSep 15, 2007 8:34am
Heh, hey on that note what player would it be? Like the defensive "leader" or a specific position?


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rieraciSep 15, 2007 8:46am
That's a problem, D6. Ideally, it would be the LB that calls the D signals, but there's no guarantee that he's on the field when the situation calls for nickle or dime defenses. My guess is they'd wire up a safety; Polamulu or one of the corners seem to be the only guys that are always on the field for us. So I think the team would have to designate one player rather than a league-mandated position.


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DeepSixSep 15, 2007 8:49am
Yeah for my ravens its obvious who it would be: Ray Lewis, but the other teams? The ravens are the only team I've seen that have shown substantial use of defensive audibles


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